New MSN

[gandian]

It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.

I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.

I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.

I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.

I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.

This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.

I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.

All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

...It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.

Not true, at least for now.

It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the
my msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[RAB]

I can't agree more!

Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the
top of the page seems gigantic and it doesn't seem to be adjustable. The
'Content modules' (like AP World News or Discovery News) aren't adjustable
either. This is terrible.

I will definitely be canceling MSN if I can't change things for the better.

-By the way I've talked to others who feel the same way.
--
RAB

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[bobj]

absolutely agree 100% with ya all,ive been posting and complaining also,seems
to no avail,a letter to msn administrative,was reffererd to tech who wrote me
and told me how wonderful it was and i should be glad and not be
complaining,,well i guess we will have to complain with our wallets,or c/cards
--
bobj

Post by RAB
I can't agree more!
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the
top of the page seems gigantic and it doesn't seem to be adjustable. The
'Content modules' (like AP World News or Discovery News) aren't adjustable
either. This is terrible.
I will definitely be canceling MSN if I can't change things for the better.
-By the way I've talked to others who feel the same way.
--
RAB

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[Chuck]

Let me join the crowd who don't like the "new My MSN" page. It's awful
compared to the old one. I don't see one advantage. I hope Microsoft gets
some sense before they make this a permanent fixture...

I own Microsoft stock. Might be time to sell if this is the kind of shoddy
product they will now be putting out...

Post by bobj
absolutely agree 100% with ya all,ive been posting and complaining also,seems
to no avail,a letter to msn administrative,was reffererd to tech who wrote me
and told me how wonderful it was and i should be glad and not be
complaining,,well i guess we will have to complain with our wallets,or c/cards
--
bobj

Post by RAB
I can't agree more!
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the
top of the page seems gigantic and it doesn't seem to be adjustable. The
'Content modules' (like AP World News or Discovery News) aren't adjustable
either. This is terrible.
I will definitely be canceling MSN if I can't change things for the better.
-By the way I've talked to others who feel the same way.
--
RAB

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[Earle Horton]

If you're paying for MSN Premium and it is not part of a partner broadband
package, well I just don't get it. The tech. didn't say it was "great"?
That is the word they used to use.
--

Post by bobj
absolutely agree 100% with ya all,ive been posting and complaining also,seems
to no avail,a letter to msn administrative,was reffererd to tech who wrote me
and told me how wonderful it was and i should be glad and not be
complaining,,well i guess we will have to complain with our wallets,or c/cards
--
bobj

Post by RAB
I can't agree more!
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the
top of the page seems gigantic and it doesn't seem to be adjustable. The
'Content modules' (like AP World News or Discovery News) aren't adjustable
either. This is terrible.
I will definitely be canceling MSN if I can't change things for the better.
-By the way I've talked to others who feel the same way.
--
RAB

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[bobj]

i have dsl through a company that doesnt offer msn ,,since i had msn before
with dial up,,i kept it by paying for it as msn premium,9.95 a month ,,was
satisfied until now ,,may quit if they dont give us some relief with this so
called new my msn, it is terrible ,that ad is a sham ,and totally destroys
your (my)home page .not sure she said "great" but is para phrasing,, was
telling me how glowing wonderful it was and how glad i should be ,,
--
bobj

Post by Earle Horton
If you're paying for MSN Premium and it is not part of a partner broadband
package, well I just don't get it. The tech. didn't say it was "great"?
That is the word they used to use.
--

Post by bobj
absolutely agree 100% with ya all,ive been posting and complaining also,seems
to no avail,a letter to msn administrative,was reffererd to tech who wrote me
and told me how wonderful it was and i should be glad and not be
complaining,,well i guess we will have to complain with our wallets,or c/cards
--
bobj

Post by RAB
I can't agree more!
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the
top of the page seems gigantic and it doesn't seem to be adjustable. The
'Content modules' (like AP World News or Discovery News) aren't adjustable
either. This is terrible.
I will definitely be canceling MSN if I can't change things for the better.
-By the way I've talked to others who feel the same way.
--
RAB

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[C***@gmail.com]

I totally agree! I e-mailed them complaining. I have a paid "Plus"
account. Paid accounts should NEVER have ads.

Post by RAB
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the

[Gary VanderMolen]

I agree in principle that a paid mail service should not have ads.
However, my paid AT&T/Yahoo mail service shows ads on the
webmail site. That's one reason why I never use webmail.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bc2a83d0-190a-445b-b15e-***@u46g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
I totally agree! I e-mailed them complaining. I have a paid "Plus"
account. Paid accounts should NEVER have ads.

Post by RAB
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the

[...winston]

I don't personally care for the ads either and sending feedback is appropriate.

Unfortunately, the my.msn.com web page is not part of the 'pay' perks for a 'Plus' account which includes no expiration, no ads in
sent email, no ads on Spaces, pop3 access, pop3 retrieval in the Hotmail web UI, forward to a non Live address.

My.msn.com is a public site, accessible to anyone with a LiveID free or paid.

A Hotmail Plus account does have ads or links to other content in variety of places(use in Live Messenger, Today option in the
Hotmail web UI).

The crux of the matter is that we all acknowledge and agree to the service agreement by use of the my.msn.com, msn.com and/or
msnmember.my.msn.com or similar pages

<qp>
20. WE MAKE NO WARRANTY.
We provide the service "as-is," "with all faults" and "as available."
22. Changes to the Service; If We Cancel the Service.
We may change the service or delete features at any time and for any reason. We may cancel or suspend your service at any time. Our
cancellation or suspension may be without cause and/or without notice. Upon service cancellation, your right to use the service
stops right away. Once the service is cancelled or suspended, any data you have stored on the service may not be retrieved later.
</qp>


...winston
ms-mvp mail

Post by C***@gmail.com
I totally agree! I e-mailed them complaining. I have a paid "Plus"
account. Paid accounts should NEVER have ads.

Post by RAB
Why should I pay for MSN Premium and have ads on my home page? I can't even
move it to the bottom of the page to get it out of sight. The header at the

[RobertVA]

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

I'm only getting ONE nearly square ad at the top of the right column of
http://next.my.msn.com/ . It's not THAT obtrusive, especially after I
dragged the other content into the first column.

If enough MSN Premium customers complain through the "Feedback" link at
the bottom of that http://next.my.msn.com/ page, the site development
staff MIGHT be persuaded to utilize a cookie to waive the ad for paying
customers. I'm not certain they monitor these peer support
forums/newsgroups.

Is this being forced on you by the MSN Explorer program? Does it prevent
you from setting another URL for your home page?

Before I got broadband I was using Internet Explorer to access the web
and was able to pick whatever home page I wanted. Since I wasn't
restricted to http://www.msn.com/ as my home page I had my choice of
http://my.msn.com/ , http://home.live.com/ , http://my.live.com/ or ANY
other web page.

Although it lacks comics modules, there's lots of content available for
http://my.live.com/ , which features a handy pop-up article summary when
the mouse pointer is rolled over the "more" link. those pop-ups
automatically close when the mouse pointer is moved away from them.

With Internet Explorer 7's ability to have RSS feeds on the Favorites"
list there's a potential to have a wide variety of news content from all
over the web, eliminating the restriction of MSN selecting which modules
you can add to their customizable pages.

[...winston]

Robert..

Today...
If I load http://next.my.msn.com
and remove the 'next.' in the address bar, then press the enter key I'm directed to:
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/
for **both** premium and free accounts(of all forms of msn.com, live.com, or hotmail.com)

That resultant site has no ads, but does have an module named 'What's New on Msn' which includes links like 'Member Center home
page' and 'My Membership' which upon use for the
Premium account load the MemberCenter. Use of those links for a free account provides a message stating "We're sorry Member Center
is not available for your membership type. The latter would be expected since its not a paying account.
- Note: The 'What's new on MSN' module is not removable(delete option is grayed out), but it can be repositioned.


The same occurs if loading http://www.msn.com and then clicking on the MyMsn link on the msn.com page. Same end result
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ and no ads.


What I can't answer is whether this is permanent or temporary.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc are doing with their life. The ads are not going to
make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back
to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that what we are paying for?

I'm only getting ONE nearly square ad at the top of the right column of http://next.my.msn.com/ . It's not THAT obtrusive,
especially after I dragged the other content into the first column.
If enough MSN Premium customers complain through the "Feedback" link at the bottom of that http://next.my.msn.com/ page, the site
development staff MIGHT be persuaded to utilize a cookie to waive the ad for paying customers. I'm not certain they monitor these
peer support forums/newsgroups.
Is this being forced on you by the MSN Explorer program? Does it prevent you from setting another URL for your home page?
Before I got broadband I was using Internet Explorer to access the web and was able to pick whatever home page I wanted. Since I
wasn't restricted to http://www.msn.com/ as my home page I had my choice of http://my.msn.com/ , http://home.live.com/ ,
http://my.live.com/ or ANY other web page.
Although it lacks comics modules, there's lots of content available for http://my.live.com/ , which features a handy pop-up
article summary when the mouse pointer is rolled over the "more" link. those pop-ups automatically close when the mouse pointer
is moved away from them.
With Internet Explorer 7's ability to have RSS feeds on the Favorites" list there's a potential to have a wide variety of news
content from all over the web, eliminating the restriction of MSN selecting which modules you can add to their customizable
pages.

[RobertVA]

Post by ...winston
Robert..
Today...
If I load http://next.my.msn.com
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/
for **both** premium and free accounts(of all forms of msn.com, live.com, or hotmail.com)
That resultant site has no ads, but does have an module named 'What's New on Msn' which includes links like 'Member Center home
page' and 'My Membership' which upon use for the
Premium account load the MemberCenter. Use of those links for a free account provides a message stating "We're sorry Member Center
is not available for your membership type. The latter would be expected since its not a paying account.
- Note: The 'What's new on MSN' module is not removable(delete option is grayed out), but it can be repositioned.
The same occurs if loading http://www.msn.com and then clicking on the MyMsn link on the msn.com page. Same end result
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ and no ads.
What I can't answer is whether this is permanent or temporary.

For a while this evening the http://my.msn.com/ page was returning the
same style as the http://next.msn.com/ page. Then after a few minutes of
getting notices that the page wasn't available http://my.msn.com/
started returning the earlier style page again. I'm getting the
impression the site operators are in the process of testing and/or
installing new code for the pages and things are going to be in state of
flux for a while. While the appearance of the pages and arrangement of
the modules is different, the user's selection of modules appears to be
carrying over to the new style.

The new style appears to retain the ability for the user to drag modules
around the page. There is a SINGLE modest size static advertisement at
the top of the rightmost column. The page width is coded to modify the
width so that the right column won't scroll off the right side of the
browser window. As I'm no longer a MSN Premium ISP subscriber, I'm not
in a position to determine if there's any "paying subscriber" filter for
that lone ad.

A few years ago some of the prominent dial up providers raised their
prices to approximately 25% more than the rate paid by MSN dial up
customers. The MSN price increase was limited to new dial up customers.
MSN is probably obtaining revenue from that lone ad on the My MSN pages,
attracting traffic to pages with paying ads or pages selling Microsoft
products. If that lone ad is so offensive, would an increase to the
monthly MSN dialup and "bring your own connection" fee to make up for
the lost ad revenue be preferable? At least the pages aren't plastered
with a dozen band width sucking animated ad extravaganzas like so many
other web sites.

[...winston]

Thanks for the feedback.
As of this morning..I'm still being directed to the ad-less http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ when accessing http://my.msn.com for both
premium and free accounts. Accessing the next.my.msn.com page still yields the same(with ad in upper right).

With respect to pricing..Msn offered a variety of plans. For those that took advantage of those plans the pricing has stayed
constant even after the last increase(some of these are no longer available but still intact)
Dial up:
- some still pay 19.95/mo, others on a reduced annual rate less than 19.95/mo , and a few on an even less 'senior' rate. The
current dial up new member offerings are twofold(1 mo. free, 17.95 for 12 mo, 21.95 thereafter or 3 mo free and 21.95 thereafter)
BYO isp
- 9.95 per mo. first 2 mo. free. Like the above reduced rate items(at one time there was a 6.95/mo byo rate which some are
still on).

For those not needing or wishing to use the msn software or no longer needing dial up or not wishing better economics without
losing an email address, the Hotmail Plus account remains one of the economic alternatives at 19.95 per year with pop3 access, no
expiration and since pop3 capable functional in XP(OE, OL or WLM), Vista(WM, OL, or WLM), or any third party email client that
supports port 995/25 in/out, SSL and Outgoing authentication).
- Any paying account once cancelled becomes a free account and can then be converted to a Hotmail Plus account, though ymmv on
retaining an account if it was tied to a partner(Verizon, Qwest, Bell etc).
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

Post by ...winston
Robert..
Today...
If I load http://next.my.msn.com
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/
for **both** premium and free accounts(of all forms of msn.com, live.com, or hotmail.com)
That resultant site has no ads, but does have an module named 'What's New on Msn' which includes links like 'Member Center home
page' and 'My Membership' which upon use for the
Premium account load the MemberCenter. Use of those links for a free account provides a message stating "We're sorry Member
Center is not available for your membership type. The latter would be expected since its not a paying account.
- Note: The 'What's new on MSN' module is not removable(delete option is grayed out), but it can be repositioned.
The same occurs if loading http://www.msn.com and then clicking on the MyMsn link on the msn.com page. Same end result
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ and no ads.
What I can't answer is whether this is permanent or temporary.

For a while this evening the http://my.msn.com/ page was returning the same style as the http://next.msn.com/ page. Then after a
few minutes of getting notices that the page wasn't available http://my.msn.com/ started returning the earlier style page again.
I'm getting the impression the site operators are in the process of testing and/or installing new code for the pages and things
are going to be in state of flux for a while. While the appearance of the pages and arrangement of the modules is different, the
user's selection of modules appears to be carrying over to the new style.
The new style appears to retain the ability for the user to drag modules around the page. There is a SINGLE modest size static
advertisement at the top of the rightmost column. The page width is coded to modify the width so that the right column won't
scroll off the right side of the browser window. As I'm no longer a MSN Premium ISP subscriber, I'm not in a position to
determine if there's any "paying subscriber" filter for that lone ad.
A few years ago some of the prominent dial up providers raised their prices to approximately 25% more than the rate paid by MSN
dial up customers. The MSN price increase was limited to new dial up customers. MSN is probably obtaining revenue from that lone
ad on the My MSN pages, attracting traffic to pages with paying ads or pages selling Microsoft products. If that lone ad is so
offensive, would an increase to the monthly MSN dialup and "bring your own connection" fee to make up for the lost ad revenue be
preferable? At least the pages aren't plastered with a dozen band width sucking animated ad extravaganzas like so many other web
sites.

[Angel]

I know. Each time I click on a link it doesn't stay in the same window it
makes it own window. I want my old MSN page back...

Post by ...winston
Thanks for the feedback.
As of this morning..I'm still being directed to the ad-less http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ when accessing http://my.msn.com for both
premium and free accounts. Accessing the next.my.msn.com page still yields the same(with ad in upper right).
With respect to pricing..Msn offered a variety of plans. For those that took advantage of those plans the pricing has stayed
constant even after the last increase(some of these are no longer available but still intact)
- some still pay 19.95/mo, others on a reduced annual rate less than 19.95/mo , and a few on an even less 'senior' rate. The
current dial up new member offerings are twofold(1 mo. free, 17.95 for 12 mo, 21.95 thereafter or 3 mo free and 21.95 thereafter)
BYO isp
- 9.95 per mo. first 2 mo. free. Like the above reduced rate items(at one time there was a 6.95/mo byo rate which some are
still on).
For those not needing or wishing to use the msn software or no longer needing dial up or not wishing better economics without
losing an email address, the Hotmail Plus account remains one of the economic alternatives at 19.95 per year with pop3 access, no
expiration and since pop3 capable functional in XP(OE, OL or WLM), Vista(WM, OL, or WLM), or any third party email client that
supports port 995/25 in/out, SSL and Outgoing authentication).
- Any paying account once cancelled becomes a free account and can then be converted to a Hotmail Plus account, though ymmv on
retaining an account if it was tied to a partner(Verizon, Qwest, Bell etc).
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

Post by ...winston
Robert..
Today...
If I load http://next.my.msn.com
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/
for **both** premium and free accounts(of all forms of msn.com, live.com, or hotmail.com)
That resultant site has no ads, but does have an module named 'What's New on Msn' which includes links like 'Member Center home
page' and 'My Membership' which upon use for the
Premium account load the MemberCenter. Use of those links for a free account provides a message stating "We're sorry Member
Center is not available for your membership type. The latter would be expected since its not a paying account.
- Note: The 'What's new on MSN' module is not removable(delete option is grayed out), but it can be repositioned.
The same occurs if loading http://www.msn.com and then clicking on the MyMsn link on the msn.com page. Same end result
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ and no ads.
What I can't answer is whether this is permanent or temporary.

For a while this evening the http://my.msn.com/ page was returning the same style as the http://next.msn.com/ page. Then after a
few minutes of getting notices that the page wasn't available http://my.msn.com/ started returning the earlier style page again.
I'm getting the impression the site operators are in the process of testing and/or installing new code for the pages and things
are going to be in state of flux for a while. While the appearance of the pages and arrangement of the modules is different, the
user's selection of modules appears to be carrying over to the new style.
The new style appears to retain the ability for the user to drag modules around the page. There is a SINGLE modest size static
advertisement at the top of the rightmost column. The page width is coded to modify the width so that the right column won't
scroll off the right side of the browser window. As I'm no longer a MSN Premium ISP subscriber, I'm not in a position to
determine if there's any "paying subscriber" filter for that lone ad.
A few years ago some of the prominent dial up providers raised their prices to approximately 25% more than the rate paid by MSN
dial up customers. The MSN price increase was limited to new dial up customers. MSN is probably obtaining revenue from that lone
ad on the My MSN pages, attracting traffic to pages with paying ads or pages selling Microsoft products. If that lone ad is so
offensive, would an increase to the monthly MSN dialup and "bring your own connection" fee to make up for the lost ad revenue be
preferable? At least the pages aren't plastered with a dozen band width sucking animated ad extravaganzas like so many other web
sites.

[raman sandhu]

thank u for sending me new msn

Post by Angel
I know. Each time I click on a link it doesn't stay in the same window it
makes it own window. I want my old MSN page back...

Post by ...winston
Thanks for the feedback.
As of this morning..I'm still being directed to the ad-less http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ when accessing http://my.msn.com for both
premium and free accounts. Accessing the next.my.msn.com page still yields the same(with ad in upper right).
With respect to pricing..Msn offered a variety of plans. For those that took advantage of those plans the pricing has stayed
constant even after the last increase(some of these are no longer available but still intact)
- some still pay 19.95/mo, others on a reduced annual rate less than 19.95/mo , and a few on an even less 'senior' rate. The
current dial up new member offerings are twofold(1 mo. free, 17.95 for 12 mo, 21.95 thereafter or 3 mo free and 21.95 thereafter)
BYO isp
- 9.95 per mo. first 2 mo. free. Like the above reduced rate items(at one time there was a 6.95/mo byo rate which some are
still on).
For those not needing or wishing to use the msn software or no longer needing dial up or not wishing better economics without
losing an email address, the Hotmail Plus account remains one of the economic alternatives at 19.95 per year with pop3 access, no
expiration and since pop3 capable functional in XP(OE, OL or WLM), Vista(WM, OL, or WLM), or any third party email client that
supports port 995/25 in/out, SSL and Outgoing authentication).
- Any paying account once cancelled becomes a free account and can then be converted to a Hotmail Plus account, though ymmv on
retaining an account if it was tied to a partner(Verizon, Qwest, Bell etc).
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

Post by ...winston
Robert..
Today...
If I load http://next.my.msn.com
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/
for **both** premium and free accounts(of all forms of msn.com, live.com, or hotmail.com)
That resultant site has no ads, but does have an module named 'What's New on Msn' which includes links like 'Member Center home
page' and 'My Membership' which upon use for the
Premium account load the MemberCenter. Use of those links for a free account provides a message stating "We're sorry Member
Center is not available for your membership type. The latter would be expected since its not a paying account.
- Note: The 'What's new on MSN' module is not removable(delete option is grayed out), but it can be repositioned.
The same occurs if loading http://www.msn.com and then clicking on the MyMsn link on the msn.com page. Same end result
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ and no ads.
What I can't answer is whether this is permanent or temporary.

For a while this evening the http://my.msn.com/ page was returning the same style as the http://next.msn.com/ page. Then after a
few minutes of getting notices that the page wasn't available http://my.msn.com/ started returning the earlier style page again.
I'm getting the impression the site operators are in the process of testing and/or installing new code for the pages and things
are going to be in state of flux for a while. While the appearance of the pages and arrangement of the modules is different, the
user's selection of modules appears to be carrying over to the new style.
The new style appears to retain the ability for the user to drag modules around the page. There is a SINGLE modest size static
advertisement at the top of the rightmost column. The page width is coded to modify the width so that the right column won't
scroll off the right side of the browser window. As I'm no longer a MSN Premium ISP subscriber, I'm not in a position to
determine if there's any "paying subscriber" filter for that lone ad.
A few years ago some of the prominent dial up providers raised their prices to approximately 25% more than the rate paid by MSN
dial up customers. The MSN price increase was limited to new dial up customers. MSN is probably obtaining revenue from that lone
ad on the My MSN pages, attracting traffic to pages with paying ads or pages selling Microsoft products. If that lone ad is so
offensive, would an increase to the monthly MSN dialup and "bring your own connection" fee to make up for the lost ad revenue be
preferable? At least the pages aren't plastered with a dozen band width sucking animated ad extravaganzas like so many other web
sites.

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

[now pay the bill! <eg>]

Post by raman sandhu
thank u for sending me new msn

Post by Angel
I know. Each time I click on a link it doesn't stay in the same window it
makes it own window. I want my old MSN page back...

Post by ...winston
Thanks for the feedback.
As of this morning..I'm still being directed to the ad-less
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ when accessing http://my.msn.com for both
premium and free accounts. Accessing the next.my.msn.com page still
yields the same(with ad in upper right).
With respect to pricing..Msn offered a variety of plans. For those that
took advantage of those plans the pricing has stayed constant even after
the last increase(some of these are no longer available but still
intact) Dial up: - some still pay 19.95/mo, others on a reduced
annual rate less than 19.95/mo , and a few on an even less 'senior'
rate.
The current dial up new member offerings are twofold(1 mo. free, 17.95
for 12 mo, 21.95 thereafter or 3 mo free and 21.95 thereafter) BYO
isp - 9.95 per mo. first 2 mo. free. Like the above reduced rate
items(at one time there was a 6.95/mo byo rate which some are
still on).
For those not needing or wishing to use the msn software or no longer
needing dial up or not wishing better economics without losing an email
address, the Hotmail Plus account remains one of the economic
alternatives at 19.95 per year with pop3 access, no expiration and since
pop3 capable functional in XP(OE, OL or WLM), Vista(WM, OL, or WLM),
or any third party email client that supports port 995/25 in/out, SSL
and
Outgoing authentication). - Any paying account once cancelled becomes a
free account and can then be converted to a Hotmail Plus account, though
ymmv on retaining an account if it was tied to a partner(Verizon, Qwest,
Bell etc).
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

Post by RobertVA

Post by ...winston
Robert..
Today...
If I load http://next.my.msn.com
and remove the 'next.' in the address bar, then press the enter key
I'm
directed to: http://msnmember.my.msn.com/
for **both** premium and free accounts(of all forms of msn.com,
live.com, or hotmail.com)
That resultant site has no ads, but does have an module named 'What's
New on Msn' which includes links like 'Member Center home page' and
'My
Membership' which upon use for the
Premium account load the MemberCenter. Use of those links for a free
account provides a message stating "We're sorry Member Center is not
available for your membership type. The latter would be expected
since
its not a paying account. - Note: The 'What's new on MSN' module is
not
removable(delete option is grayed out), but it can be repositioned.
The same occurs if loading http://www.msn.com and then clicking on the
MyMsn link on the msn.com page. Same end result
http://msnmember.my.msn.com/ and no ads.
What I can't answer is whether this is permanent or temporary.

For a while this evening the http://my.msn.com/ page was returning the
same style as the http://next.msn.com/ page. Then after a few minutes of
getting notices that the page wasn't available http://my.msn.com/
started returning the earlier style page again. I'm getting the
impression the site operators are in the process of testing and/or
installing new code for the pages and things are going to be in state of
flux for a while. While the appearance of the pages and arrangement of
the modules is different, the user's selection of modules appears to be
carrying over to the new style.
The new style appears to retain the ability for the user to drag modules
around the page. There is a SINGLE modest size static advertisement at
the top of the rightmost column. The page width is coded to modify the
width so that the right column won't scroll off the right side of the
browser window. As I'm no longer a MSN Premium ISP subscriber, I'm not
in a position to determine if there's any "paying subscriber" filter for
that lone ad.
A few years ago some of the prominent dial up providers raised their
prices to approximately 25% more than the rate paid by MSN dial up
customers. The MSN price increase was limited to new dial up customers.
MSN is probably obtaining revenue from that lone ad on the My MSN pages,
attracting traffic to pages with paying ads or pages selling Microsoft
products. If that lone ad is so offensive, would an increase to the
monthly MSN dialup and "bring your own connection" fee to make up for
the lost ad revenue be preferable? At least the pages aren't plastered
with a dozen band width sucking animated ad extravaganzas like so many
other web sites.

[Galen]

If you are running MSN premium services and still have the installer program
for it, this worked for me. Close your browser and run the MSN install
program, msnsusii, application. This worked for me. It brought the old home
page back and no more of the preview page crap or the new homepage.

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[...winston]

Having seen quite a bit of Msn 'previews' in the last 15 yrs...most become reality...bringing back the old usually only lasts until
rolled out to all geographical locations(some having locale uniqueness).

@gandian wrote
" All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that what we are paying for?"
- Probably not...check the TOS. Iirc, 'not changing deployed or the form of content' is *not* guaranteed.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

Post by Galen
If you are running MSN premium services and still have the installer program
for it, this worked for me. Close your browser and run the MSN install
program, msnsusii, application. This worked for me. It brought the old home
page back and no more of the preview page crap or the new homepage.

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?

[bobbyg]

The fact that the new homepage sucks is only the beginning... the fact that
MSN does not care what we think is the end.
MSN was... WAS the only search engine on the net that didn't have a white
(eye burner) background. Now the big three all look the same...
congratulations on losing your branding genius.
No doubt there will be many other changes... for instance... I ONLY SEARCH
WITH GOOGLE NOW... I ONLY USE MSN FOR HOTMAIL. Bet yer bippy that won't
change.

Post by gandian
It seems this was forced on me, a week ago i could change it back from the my
msn page. Now I can't.
I don't need to see an ad at the top right, I don't care what movie star etc
are doing with their life. The ads are not going to make me buy a Ford.
I have DSL, I don't have to suscribe to MSN. Even the Red Color is not the
same, its not new and exciting #$%^, please go back to the old home pages.
I am now thinking of discontining MSN and just use my DSL providers home page.
I can't even go back to the my msn page I saved awhile ago.
This is horrible to be forced on your customers. It was bad enough I can't
use Outlook Express anymore.
I cannot understand why you would just do this to people, and to even post
this I had to wait 10 min for it to load.
All people want to do is log on and see their own personal menus isn't that
what we are paying for?